military industrial complex

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Post 1 by gizmobear (move over school!) on Wednesday, 24-Sep-2014 12:31:28

so, i was reading a synopsis of a book titledand it reveals how the M.I.C. started during the korean war. how some years later the war is still going on. how now the M.I.C. is so grown it cannot be stopped. the book can be found at a website titled forbidenbook underground media. take a look.good reading for the serious minded! he

Post 2 by SilverLightning (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Wednesday, 24-Sep-2014 13:51:54

I'd seriously question the validity of any book that tries to argue that the
Military Industrial Complex started as late as the Korean War. As we know it
today, it came from World War II. many aspects of it however were visible as
early as the Civil War. Usually though, amateur books try to avoid placing any
negatives on World War II because of how dear it is to our national memory.
Nothing bad can come from World War II, never mind how absolutely awful
certain parts of our conduct were during that war. INcluding the military
industrial complex.

Post 3 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Wednesday, 24-Sep-2014 14:27:49

I end to agree with Cody, albeit leaning more towards the start of the current Military Industrial Complex being the Civil War and the industrial revolution.
But here is what I think a lot of people, including my extended family and many conservatives, get wrong about this:
This is not a conspiracy. It's not a "them" controlling an "us."
Every single time some hashtactivist on Twitter or spoiled brat on Tumblr or talking head on Fox News starts in with how we should protect the people, usually women and children, of another country, we all get outraged. It's in our biology. We all deplore the oppression of women and children, and for normally functioning human beings, this causes a physical reaction. The problem is, we bow to it. We think we should go fix this country or that country, because of some pictures and videos and runny-nosed kids posting hashtags on social networks. "outrage" is a license to use the cerebellum only, or the hindbrain, what some people call the lizard or reptilian brain. When your brain focuses on emotions, the performance of your cognitive or rational centers are is reduced.
Now here's the other side: Oil. We sell American oil overseas, and import oil from the Middle East. That is why we are in the Middle East. That and the Christian apocalyptic fantasy about the Israelis, 2/3 of whom the Christian mythology would see wiped out before all is complete. But if we changed the oil situation, we'd get rid of a lot of problems.
Here I'm gonna step on a few more toes, though I can take the responses: If it were up to me, American oil would be registered a munitions, meaning you could not sell it outside the U.S. Right now, we have some American companies profiting on the sale of American oil, while others profit on the import of Middle Eastern oil. Make American oil a munitions, the sale of it outside the U.S. to be a capital offense akin to high treason, and start with that. I'm not a statist, but this has become a serious domestic security issue, and the people with no personal sense of honor selling the American people out would at least fear for their lives. Most cowards do.
Being a security, oil would be state-managed in this way, and that would stimulate other *viable* energy innovations, not the half-ass stuff like corn subsidies by the government to create ethanol.
The oil part, we can't do anything about for now. But the outrage part? Stop listening to your gut reactions, check sources, consider the ramifications before writing your congressperson and Obama to please please please send over our troops to save those poor people.
Because the only outrage you're being fed serves some of our current corporate interests, and totally depends on you having no critical thinking skills. If you stop and think for ten minutes beofore you retweet or post or write that letter to Congress, that's your way out of the proverbial matrix. And remember the difference between stop and feel outraged, and stop and think / check facts.

Post 4 by Grand_Admiral_Thrawn (Veteran Zoner) on Wednesday, 25-Mar-2015 1:06:20

Leo, I couldn't agree with you more.
But, the MIC is the center of innovation.
So as far as Oil being a national security threat? yes.
But if you're talking about that lying behind the wars that we've been involved in; though it is the reason, you have to realize that the way the MIC is constructed,
we can only get innovation down from military products primarily.
What we need to do is not just what you said about Oil, but give full power to private industry outside the MIC, so that, working within regulations, they can create stuff that won't be military related and that can come directly to consumers.
Also, one more thing about the MIC.
Its not just the military.
its private industry, military, colleges and intelligence.
Whether the MIC is primarily evil or good; I haven't decided that yet.
All I know is that they are a force for innovation in our system as of right now.